A “flaming gay” is the darling of the new right under Trump. What does that actually tell us?
Ok, serious question, is the world becoming more tolerant and accepting, or is prejudice becoming more cunning?
I’m really not sure.
So the other day someone calls me up and says, “Hey Jon, are you related to this Milo Yiannopoulos bloke?”
I don’t know if you know, but Giaan is something of a pen name. I actually have the same last name as this bloke, but back when I started out in direct marketing I quickly found out that having a 5-syllable last name was a real liability.
“No, it’s G-I-A-N… ok look, let me write it out for you. Um.. ok. I’ll need a bigger piece of paper…”
So I truncated it to something that was easier to the Aussie ear (and my response rate jumped from 0.7% to 1.6%… and to 2.5% in Queensland! I kid you not).
So anyway, I said, I don’t know, I’ll have to ask the aunties… But who is he?
And my friend said, “You know, he’s that flamboyant gay guy who’s part of the Trump administration.
“Republicans have a gay spokesperson?”
“Yeah. And he has a black boyfriend.”
*double-take.
At this point I had to do a quick fact check to make sure that my friend wasn’t calling in from some alternate reality.
Milo isn’t part of the Trump team exactly. But he is a senior editor at Breitbart. Breitbart’s founder Steve Bannon is now Trumps chief of staff, so the ties are pretty close.
They also seem to be using Milo to bait liberals at university campuses, for shits and giggles. He has a flair for the outrageous, and a few weeks back there was a riot at Berkely University when Milo was supposed to give a talk there.
So yeah, a well-dressed shit-stirrer. Sounds like we could be related. (But we’re not. I checked.)
But then I just found the whole thing very interesting. How is it that suddenly we have a Republican President – even a Republican party – who are happy to let a gay wog with an African American boyfriend represent them?
(At least publicly they seem to be happy about it. I did a quick search and I couldn’t find anyone complaining about it…)
This is something of a milestone, right? Something of a turning point. We have reached an age where a man’s sexual preference doesn’t influence the role he can play in mainstream politics – even conservative politics.
(I’m surprised progressive people aren’t happier about it.)
But what does it really mean?
So I’ve got two interpretations on it for you. One is sunny, the other not so sunny.
The sunny version is that Trump, the alpha-politician, has totally tamed the Republican party, and he is quietly replacing hard-edged ideology with a softer, fuzzier, more pragmatic conservatism.
He really is draining the swamp.
Remember how he stood on stage during the primaries with a rainbow flag with LGBTQ’s for Trump written on it? Remember where he got up at his confirmation and said America needed to do more to protect LGBTQ people (from terrorism), and all the Republicans cheered.
He plays the right-wing strong man when the politics demands it, but he’s a giant care-bear at heart. And he’s using his power and position to sideline past conservative prejudices, and create a more inclusive, rainbow friendly America.
Maybe..?
I’m just speculating here but the theory fits the facts.
Maybe Trump is uniting conservatives and progressives and really is making America great again.
Maybe this is just the arc of the moral universe bending towards justice, as Martin Luther King said it always would. The conservatives of today would look like fanatical radicals to the conservatives of 100 years ago.
This is just what history does.
Sunny days.
So what’s the less sunny version?
In the less-sunny version, power-demons don’t really care who is working for them, as long as they’re the boss. Maybe Trump is an instrument of what I call ‘pragmatic oppression’.
As I see it, there are two types of oppression in the world. First, there is bigoted oppression. This is based on some sort of perceived difference – race, class, sexual preference, gender, nationality etc.
You are a less-worthy being than myself, therefore I have the right to coerce you into doing my will.
Black people should be slaves because they’re not capable of anything better. Women should stay home and cook and clean because that’s what God said they should do. Gay people should stick to interior design and not get uppity about getting the same rights as ‘normal’ people.
The other type of oppression is a little more scary. ‘Pragmatic oppression’ is more cold and calculating. It says, I don’t really care who you are or what you are about. I’m only interested in whether I can manipulate you to my own ends.
The Illuminati is an equal-opportunity employer.
And so maybe what we see with Trump is the era of bigoted oppression being replaced with a more calculating, pragmatic oppression.
In this version of the world, the only thing that matters is whether you have wealth and power. You could be a Chinese property developer, a Russian Mafioso, an African military strongman – it doesn’t matter. You could put on a sequined jacket and do Boy from Oz covers if you wanted to.
The only thing that matters is will you make me and my mates richer and more powerful.
(And if the truth be told, I suspect that a lot of bigoted oppression through history has been artificially engineered to serve the needs of pragmatic oppression.)
So which is it? This theory fits the facts as well. And I’m just not sure.
Has the world turned a corner or taken a nasty turn? Is Trump a sheep in wolf’s clothing, a champion of justice? Or does he carry around a banal and calculating evil in his cold, cold heart?
Right now, it seems impossible to tell.
That’s why they’re such interesting times.
What do you think? Why do Republicans love Milo? Is there an agenda at play or is Trump actually on a mission to do some good – and achieving it?
Dad of Doom says
Milo has a lot of great YouTube video showing him demolishing the hypocrisy of the Left. He is a very intelligent, well spoken, logical, factual speaker. And the Left can’t stand the fact that he is gay with a black boyfriend. To them, he is a traitor. In realtion to Trump, I think he is just pragmatic, and quite honestly is not interested in any form of discrimination. Trump is interested in what works, not what the theories are.
Kerrie Randell says
well spoken. i agree 🙂
John from Perth says
People are definely more accepting of minority groups than in the past. Trump seems to better represent the average middle class American than the other American politicians who seem to focus on chasing minority groups and taking their traditional supporter base for granted.
People who are worried about their job security, worried about paying their bills, worried about safety and security, are seeing their taxes squander by big taxing big spending governments and are getting hammered by political correctness don’t have minority groups rights at the top of their priority list when it comes to voting.
I think major Australian political parties are finding that chasing minority groups is starting to backfire and now they need to stop taking their traditional supporter base for granted. Labor have become more extreme chasing green voters ( hence extreme green energy targets) and Liberals have become more left wing ( hence less extreme but still extreme renewable energy targets).
This shift to the left by the majors and focus on minority groups, rather than the traditional supporter base, has left the majors open to losing their traditional supporter base. This has resulted in the Trump win in the US and major inroads into the supporter base from both Australian majors by Hanson and other minority parties.
So when it comes to deciding on the reason for Trumps attitudes we should look to how Trumps attitude reflects the attitude of the vast silent majority of Americans.
Tom says
John,
LIKE IT OR NOT, “Climate Change” is real and fossil fuels are exacerbating the problem — PERIOD!!!
It breaks my heart to have to say it, but the Great Barrier Reef is on its last legs. It is doomed. There is not the political will around the world to do anything about the acidification and warming of the oceans, due to increasing Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere.
We mine the coal and oil which Gaia put out of harms way and burn it irresponsibly, to generate further wealth for the already filthy rich.
The Antarctic ice is melting faster than had been predicted in earlier modelling.
Who is going to pay the cost of our ocean defenses when the sea level rises? Many of our coastal communities are going to be flooded, like Kiribati is currently experiencing.
Which Nations are going to accommodate the Billions of Bangladeshis and other inhabitants of low-lying lands as they are swamped? Hopefully, the Netherlands’ engineers will be able to help some of the more highly populated areas; but who will pay the astronomical expenses of the infrastructure required?
Climate change respects neither ideologies nor political vote-chasing stupidities. It is all a matter of global climatic physics.
Electricity generation should not be a political football. It is too serious a matter for that.
The sooner our elected representatives acknowledge their responsibilities to future generations, rather than to their own “Question Time” egos and re-election, the better for all humanity.
I just console myself with the fact that as a Baby-Boomer, who has lived through the very best times in mankind’s history, I shall not be around to see the mess our greed is leaving behind.
Mary says
Tom, You may like to check the following articles on climate change to enlighten you further:
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/global-warmingalternately-climate-change-guide-for-dummies/
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/nature/climate-change-history-the-fall-of-empires-come-when-warming-turns-of-cooling/
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/nature/climate-change-history-the-fall-of-empires-come-when-warming-turns-of-cooling/
KiwiAl says
Hi Mary,
Had a look at the articles you point to…
Sorry, but I just cannot take seriously anyone who says we (human kind):
“… by no means possess the power to change the climate cycle. …”
As I understand it, we still have enough nuclear warheads on each side to annihilate life on the planet. Sure, it would be dumb, but we have the power, in more ways than one. If we wipe out life, the climate cycles will change, for sure. (Research the results of the recent Japanese Fukushima meltdown and look at the photos of the tumour and cancer infested fish it has caused, if you think that’s not a reality.)
CERTAINLY, man’s activities created the Ozone Depletion (Hole in the Ozone Layer) we Down Under are all well aware of. That in itself is a change to the climate, albeit small, but there is more to come.
In China, the (Domestic) Refrigerant of choice is R12. (They export “green” refrigerant-filled appliances etc to us, but they use R12 in almost everything at home, because it works out much cheaper.) What’s more, they use truckloads and truckloads of it.
Take an average apartment block in any Chinese city. Typically 25 or 30 floors. Maybe 10 apartments per floor. On average something around 3 heat pumps per apartment. Typically, those heat pumps have almost 1kg (Yes, One Kilogram) of R12, EACH. That makes say 30 x 10 x 3 x 0.9 ~= 800 kg of R12 per apartment building. Let’s say 1 tonne, for round figures.
Now, how many apartments are there in China? (Apartments are by far the most common dwelling arrangement over there. Just zoom to Google and go have a look!)
Let’s say half of the 1.4 billion people live in apartments, gives 700 million people. Let’s be a bit crazy here and say an average of 7 people per apartment (which is probably double the average).
That still makes 100 million apartments. (And we Down Under can’t build houses to save ourselves!) SO, 100 million x 3 x 0.9 = 270 million kilograms (270,000 tonnes) of R12. Even if they pump out every unit before its decommissioned (and you can be certain they don’t – I’ve seen what their worn-out apartment blocks look like before they are demolished – you wouldn’t want to go into them even to take photos, let alone pump out R12), how much R12 is going to leak out of those heat pumps in their working life span of maybe 20 years? It’s a disaster waiting to happen.
I have known for about 30 years that Global Warming will likely trigger the next Ice Age. Whether that will be caused by man or not is still unknown, but the process is very simple.
Extra heat causes more evaporation from the oceans. The warmer, wetter air flows over the land masses, carrying all that moisture with it. A lot will fall on coastal hills as it does now, but because there is more moisture and it’s warmer, more will travel inland, to higher altitudes, where it will eventually fall as snow. The snow falls will increase, thanks to Global Warming! We are seeing this now, with more extreme winters.
However, snow, being white, reflects more heat… If the snow does not all melt each summer, it will start to build up over several years…
Of course, all that free atmospheric R12 will keep us SOOO much warmer (not to mention blistering with melanomas), so it may defer the next Ice Age. I do not accept that Global Cooling is inevitable, this cycle.
Looks like we’ll have to look forward to some other form of massive population reduction!
Tom says
John & Mary, thanks for your inputs.
Humanity is a cancer attacking Gaia, or whatever you like to call the biosphere. Fortunately for Gaia, the Kims and Trumps of this world will cause another mass extinction and she will roll on as she has for eons, removing nearly all traces of humans’ existence.
Both of you seem to think that those who are concerned about the ever accelerating rate of warming can somehow to be grouped together into a fanatical subgroup of deluded anarchists, or communists or antiestablishmentarians etc, etc,etc.
Denying the effects of re-releasing billions of tons of geological carbon into the atmosphere and calling people names is nonsensical. We have been given brains and it is our duty to utilise them to the best of our ability. None of my “Green” acquaintances are in the slightest Marxist or Bolshevik in persuasion.
Rather they are normal Aussies, concerned about the extremes of what we like to call the Left and Right.
Most of them probably think that the wealth of those “Filthy Rich” is obscene; and would like to see a more equitable distribution of the world’s resources and wealth. They are probably opposed to the exploitation of the world’s poor.
Using ‘argumentum ad hominem’ and calling people names are mentally lazy ways of presenting arguments.
Climate science has unfortunately become a political football.
Genuine students of the discipline have taken account of all the known cycles found in nature’s history – and almost unanimously come to the same conclusion – that industrial CO2 is exacerbating the rate of warming in this post-glacial warming period.
Doubtless, they see the irony of Tony Abbot’s photo stop fire-fighting heroics and his policy of shipping out millions of tons of coal for his mates, resulting in larger and more frequent bush fires.
It is strange that industry, which encourages us to take the precaution of insuring against possible adverse events, is hell-bent on dissuading our politicians from protecting the country from this high-probability catastrophe. As a cynic, methinks they see big bucks coming down the line – at our expense.
In Hobart, the parents of our generation used to ski at “The Springs” half way up Mt Wellington. They then moved their ski lodge to a spot above the snow line on Mt Field, when Mt Wellington could no longer provide enough snow.
By the Sixties, that lodge was a long walk from the snowfields.
The globe is definitely warming.
There are some oscillations in certain parameters, as would be expected.
But key indicators are all trending in the same direction and the polar ice-sheets are thinning at what the specialists consider is an unexpectedly alarming rate.
Bury your head in the sand if you will, but don’t buy property on low-lying coastal land!!!
John from Perth says
Tom,
The question is not “is climate change real”. I for one think the massive rate of burning fossil fuels is certain to have an affect on the environment and something needs to be done about it.
I also believe there are sustainable low cost alternatives that can be economically developed and implemented to reduce carbon emissions. Geothermal power, wave power and tidal power are examples where we have the technology and are low cost to run. All those technologies, and others, are best implemented through use of economic market forces and using science, engineering, proper political processes and logic to arrive at the best solutions.
My point is that If the Greens political party was really concerned about the environment they would take a completely different approach to their approach the f making alarmist claims and communist based political solutions that always involve trashing our economy with extra taxes, banning burning of fossil fuels and throwing the worlds poor into greater poverty in the name of ensuring “the filthy rich” are hurt while doing nothing to stop destruction of forrests or to protect the world from overpopulation. The Greens solutions are politically motivated and driven by the communist organisations that amalgamated to form the Greens.
There are innumerable organisations who make alarmist claims that the world is soon going to end (for their own benefit) and claim you need to be unquestioning about anything they say. The Greens are just another of those self seeking brain washing alarmist organisations. The greens call you names like “climate change denier” if you question anything they say.
I can’t see where Mary or I have called anyone names as you have claimed however I see where you have insulted Tony Abbot for helping fight bushfires.
I’m sure your Aussie mates are well meaning but I suspect they are getting sucked in by the Green Party’s alarmist claims and their communist ideologically based solutions that are aimed at trashing our economy and are too sacred to pass through our normal democratic political processes. The reason Greens don’t want their policies scrutinised ” ie become a polotical football” is they know they won’t stand up to proper scrutiny.
Tom says
Good on you John, I like the way you apply some good logic in developing your arguments, but having the odd false premise throws a spanner in the works.
Please explain what you mean by the name “Communist”. Evidently, my understanding of the term differs from yours. Is anybody who questions the excesses of capitalists a Communist. I hope not – otherwise I could be included under that name. Nor can all Socialists be branded as Communists. If you call the Greens ‘Communists’, are Pauline’s followers all ‘Nazis’? Using such derogatory terms is obviously meaningless.
Incidentally, ‘irony’ and ‘insult’ may both start with ‘i’ but have different meaning and intent. As a former volunteer firefighter in the bush, I can only respect others who offers their services in that way to their local community whom they try to protect. But to simultaneously destroy the market price for carbon, which was designed to have the current generation pay for its own pollution of the atmosphere is unconscionable. Politics at its worst!!! Now,WE are getting off scot free, having been the most profligate abusers of Gaia’s resources in history. I pity your grandchildren, who will justifiably ask, “Why didn’t Granddad and his political masters do something earlier, when it was obvious that their polluting of the atmosphere would have a devastating effect on our world? Didn’t they care?”
In our naturally fire-prone Australia, it is ludicrous to rely on vegetation as a carbon sink, the way that Greg Hunt’s system does. Climate change has long been predicted to cause more frequent and more extreme climatic events. The folly of Greg’s policy was highlighted by the Tassie fires last year, which following an unusual drought period in the mountainous rain forest areas not only released carbon locked away in the vegetation, but also irrevocably ruined extensive beds of dried out peat, which since the end of the ice age about ten thousand years ago had been locking up the atmospheric carbon.
They have been growing for the same amount of time as the Great Barrier Reef – and are equally doomed, thanks to our greed and irresponsibility.
Back in the Sixties, fires in the ‘Wet Sclerophyll’ forests, which contain Eucalypts, and so must have previously burned within the last couple of hundred years, and which adjoin those Rain Forests, (which were not fire prone and so are devoid of Eucalypts), were reported as releasing more energy than a nuclear bomb. The cloud formed from the condensing water vapour generated by the fires, stratified – just as nuclear clouds do, as hot gases break through the existing layer. The amount of energy released in such fires is humongous – so is the amount of carbon released back into the atmosphere.
But, while these fires are a natural feature of our world and part of the Cycle of Life, release of carbon and sulphur from fossil fuels is humanity’s fault.
European agricultural practices introduced by our mainly British ancestors has resulted in enormous loss of humus from our soils, so it stands to reason that encouraging farmers to avoid burning and instead turn the crop residues back into the ground, restoring carbon levels in the topsoil is an admirable policy, but carbon storage in vegetation ABOVE ground is temporary at best and cannot be relied upon to balance the burning of fossil fuels.
In fact, as CO2 levels rise in the air, the rate of photosynthesis increases, making more vegetative fuel for the fires and increasing their severity.
Also, we are acidifying our oceans, ruining many sensitive organisms, such as corals.
So, in practical terms, we have gone back to doing nothing about the burden we are passing on to our descendants. Is that justice? Or is it just short-term politics as usual. “Greed is good. We want a good time. To hell with our grandchildren!!!”
John from Perth says
Tom, I agree the world is overpopulated and we are making unsustainable demands on our resources, among which includes burning fossil fuels.
What I find objectional is that climate change issues can’t be discussed logically without people claiming the problem is different to every othere issue and anyone that questions the greenies illogical solutions is labeled as a client change denier or as you have here claimed it is some type of sacred issue beyond politics. As soon as the government imposes laws on anything to do with fuels of any type then burning of fossil fuels is automatically a political issue.
You are wrong when you say energy only benefits only the “filthy rich”. The reality is that burning fossil fuels benefited everyone particularly the poor. The very poor in this world don’t have the money to pay for fuel so making fuels more expensive hurts the poor far more than wealthy people like us.
Greenies are also wrong to think that Australia trashing its economy to reduce carbon emissions will do anything to help reduce the worlds carbon emissions. If our high power consuming industries such as aluminium continue to be taxed out of business the smelters will move to countries that don’t have carbon taxes or renewable targets and who use lower quality more polluting fuels.
If Australia shuts down coal mining then alternative higher polluting coals will be used by overseas countries who don’t have carbon taxes. The net effect will be that shutting down coal mining in Australia wil cause a net increase in carbon emissions.
There is no way that every country in the world will agree to carbon taxes or illogical renewable energy targets so us going it alone is insane given it will trash our economy and make the worlds carbon emissions worse.
So what is the answer? First we need to take the emotion out of the issue and address the problem logically. Clearly renewable energy technology needs to be able to compete financially with fossil fuels and market forces will then lead to fossil fuel burning being replaced by renewables. This will avoid imposing go it alone renewable targets that trash our economy and result in a net increase in carbon emissions.
Geothermal power stations are very low cost to run and have the potential to supply huge quantities of power, day or night and regardless of weather the wind blows, Tidal power and wave power also have good potential. Clearly money should be going to the CSIRO to develop these technologies rather than spending it on trying to prove climate change is real or not real purely for the sake of a political pissing competition.
The world also needs to do something to cut our overpopulation problem. The larger the worlds population the more our forests will be removed and the greater the loss of species of plants and animals. We need our forests to convert carbon dioxide to oxygen.
I don’t understand why it is greenies who are demanding Australia increase its population. My only conclusion is that greenies are so extreme that they don’t think for themselves and fall into the trap of thinking Greenie solutions are some type of sacred cow that is beyond questioning by parliament or the common man. I think you may have fallen into that trap leading you to say the issue is too important to become a political football. That is just not logical or realistic.
John from Perth says
Tom, I previously wrote a long reply to this that seems to have got lost so I’ll make some brief points as follows :-
The world is undergoing huge environmental damage and the main cause is overpopulation. Overpopulation is destroying forests, causing extinction of plant and animal species and there are less trees to convert carbon dioxide to oxygen.
The Greens are a communist organisation that are aiming to trash our way of life by stopping our wealth creating industries, supporting overpopulation and flooding our country with the worlds trash. They are not genuinely interested in the environment but are using it to achieve their evil communist political ends. If you doubt this claim Google “communist greens” and you will see the communist greens are an amalgamation of Australian communist organisations.
The communist Greens are using a climate change alarmist scare mongering to achieve their damage to western economies and seem to be having success as governments are seeing climate change as a good excuse to tax more and hence gain more political power.
The Greens don’t want decisions on climate change to be based on scientific data, logic and debate as they know their emotional alarmist claims won’t stand up to proper analysis. Hence they say things like “climate change is too serious an issue to become a political football”. Meanwhile the Greens are making it a political football hence the reason for their political party. Don’t get sucked into all the greens emotional hype and alarmist claims. Those claims are made for their own evil political ends.
It is wrong that fossil fuels benefit only the “filthy rich”. The poor of the world will be hurt more by your proposed stopping of using fossil fuels as they will be less able to afford fuel and power.
It is also wrong that the world would benefit from Australia stopping coal mines. The world would just use alternative lower quality coal causing worse greenhouse emissions.
It is true that we need to develop alternative energy technologies. The Greens are standing in the way of that by demanding money go into investigating their claims on climate change rather than into developing alternative technologies. This is akin to the tobacco industry demanding money is put into researching weather smoking causes lung disease. It’s just a delaying tactic to ensure real action on climate change isn’t taken.
eddy says
“Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.”
KiwiAl says
Too subtle for me, eddy! Who? Which?
Nicco says
100% pragmatic oppression. Milo is a puppet who gets joy from watching people being manipulated. The banality of evil is playing out before our eyes. This is what evil looks like!
peter says
Trump is the classic loose cannon. Not just one bolt but all the bolts holding him to the floor. As I said to family before he was elected, not only is he a loose cannon but he is flying around the room. People should be careful where they are standing when he fires. But he is a loose cannon in his rhetoric. His actions tend to be more pragmatic. Trump has worked with realty TV and actors for years. He is a showman. Like other people in show business, he is comfortable with and tolerant of gay people- many of whom work in the entertainment business. His tolerance of Milo is real. The claim by the screaming heads in street protests that Trump is anti-gay is false (fake news). This hasn’t stopped 99% of Hollywood celebrities from hating him. But that says more about them than Trump. Celebrities have had an inordinate influence on politics in California. That state has more renewables and higher electricity prices than any other state. Arnie ran a basket-case of an economy when he was Governor. They couldn’t even pay public servants and school teachers at one point. Perhaps Jon could do an analysis of the Californian economy and property market for our amusement?
Whether President Trump is “real” or a showman façade doesn’t matter. He is still exacting change unexpected of a Republican. He has made it clear that corporations that move factories off-shore (Mexico and Asia, not Australia) then import product back to America give him the shits and he will impose punitive taxes to stop them. You would never have heard that from a Republican ever! They always believed that as long as the money flowed they were happy. You know, Trickle-down economics. Whether this will all turn out good or bad, who knows? Strap yourself in for the ride. It would be nice if some of the media, such as our ABC, stop their jaundiced reporting of Trump. e.g. saying Trump lied over the size of the Inauguration crowd? He couldn’t have lied, no-one counted the crowd size. Everyone estimated (guessed) the size of a crowd that was spread over several areas. The photo supposedly showing Trump’s crowd smaller than Obama’s was taken almost 40 minutes before the equivalent Obama pic. Watch the end of a football match and see how quickly a stadium can empty (or fill) in just 10 minutes. Anyway, the Trump ego would not allow him see the crowd size as anything but huge.
ron goddard says
hi jonno.
a word to peter. get your facts right peter,. the donald just had 27 journos arrested(from the m.s.m.press. they will all go to jail). apparently these journos have, in the past, been ‘protected’ by their media bosses in the relaying of intelligence reports to do with the security of the nation and other serious matters. the f.b.i. under the direction of the new executive, laid several ‘canary traps’ for these journos and they fell for it. many more will follow and the mega bosses are in panic. at the moment the american public hold the media in contempt mainly since trump appeared on the scene, noticeably, since early last year. the ‘believibility’ ratings of the six main news outlets is under water and sinking fast.
i know peter that you could do miles better, but you would need to emigrate to america for that. we would support you without actually helping of course. other things that the donald is doing is completely wiping the floor with the c.i.a. which is something that j.f.k. and reagan tried to do without actually succeeding. if you know a little bit about the c,.i.a. you would be aware that they are the lousiest bastards ever to inhabit the planet. their crimes etc. would take a lifetime of telling. hillary clinton was their lovechild along with the bushes. american people will not ever be great again. the nation is still reeling from too much warmongering and too little infrastructure maintenance.
also robert di niro has changed sides and is now a trump supporter following the mysterious death of the man, dan olmsted, who was to have an audience with trump about vaccinations containing mercury being administered to kids. this is one of trumps hobbyhorses. these vaccinations cause autism. di niro has vowed to avenge the death of this man who was a problem for the elite etc. his body was cremated 7 hours after his death.(died from natural causes, was the official version. you can read into that what you like) of course the c.i.a. was involved.
so this ‘loose cannon’ of a president is not doing his job peter? i don’t know about this gay man. if he stays away from me thats ok. and jonno, of course trump is doing a great job. draining the swamp?
you betcha. and more exciting stuff is yet to come. we live in exciting times indeed.
cheers for today and thanks for the opportunity jonno to show off my literary skills.
Tom says
Ron,
Somebody should tell the Donald not to venture down to Texas in an open car!
Craig Gordon says
This post about Trump 7 politics occur quite a bit…besides being mostly negative and one persons opinion I’m not sure what it has to do with property investing! If wanted to read this crap I’d go on FB!!
Tom the Pedantic says
Craig Mate, pull your horns in and be civil.
Thank your lucky stars that Jon and his amazing colleagues are providing us with a valuable, high quality education available nowhere else.
If you have nothing pleasant to say, say nothing. Your cheap quip ads nothing to the betterment of Oz, whereas Jon’s blogs get our grey matter ticking over. A human is much more than an investment machine – or at least should be!!!
Hope you had a happy Valentine’s Day – Or did you stick your big fat hoof in that too?
By the way, what is “Trump 7”??? [&] requires the [shift] key!!!
KiwiAl says
Hey Craig,
At times, even Jonno seems to run short of topics to start debates about. If he stuck to just Real Estate Investing, where would we be? Not here, I’m sure! Being a blog, it attract many people’s opinions, but hey, if you want it to be your opinion at the top, why not start your own blog!?
Personally, I think the whole Trump Phenomenon is Hell Interesting. Jon has been onto it since the beginning. He picked up on Trump’s skill at manipulating the crowds (the flock / herd / masses / proletariat / whatever), and talked him up when everyone else was trying to shoot him down. Can’t say Jon was wrong, entirely.
And, let’s face it, Donald is a property investor, not a politician (nearly typoed ploticician, but I guess no real diff), so in that sense, he’s relevant, and Jonno is sort of on-topic anyway. And I don’t get where it is “mostly negative”. Oh, you mean my cynical input? Yeah, fair enough!
Anyway, the bottom line, and you should know this, is that this is not so much about Real Estate Investing as it is about Marketing and Advertising, and getting “hits” and all that modern Internet stuff.
Anthony Lowen Clarke says
I have come to the conclusion that we have just seen a change from the Socialist Obama Muslim Administration to the Capitalist Trump Jewish Administration. It is a big change and like winning Powerball claims: It is the power to change everything!
eddy says
With all due respect, you are very “ill informed”. Please listen to Benjamin Freedman’s speech in 1961 to see who has been in charge…
Anthony Lowen Clarke says
Just take my comment about the change as being satirical. Tony
ron goddard says
yes tom ..reckon he knows a thing or two about dallas. wait until he explodes on 9/11. all will be revealed and heads will roll and the u.s. public will really help.him. terrorism indeed! silverstein buys one of the towers for us$4bn, insures for us$8bn. five weeks prior to 9/11. he picks up a 100% profit at the expense of 3,500 innocent lives and then to show what a great guy he is he donates back us$100m. just 2.5% of his gross profit. what an amazing man and gets a pat on the back from george b. i wouldn’t like to be either george bush or silverstein when the whole sordid mess is opened up. i reckon the guilllotine might be busy, and deservedly so.
b.t.w. its probably not generally known what happened to mh370; the governments of russia, u.s.a., oz, china, u.k. and malaysia all know exactly what happened and why, but, as usual they, the media, treat the world mushrooms like…well mushrooms. and they tell us about wreckage and flight paths etc. etc. etc. bless the internet and stuff f.b. (reference craig) its run by a bloody jew and his masters are the rothchilds, rockefellers etc. etc. etc. he had been told months ago to shut down all good stuff on trump and only print the bad stuff. google is the same, ban trump. but there is a bit of light ahead. who knows really what the exact position is with world affairs. foreign affairs i can understand. what with visiting china and thailand and meeting the local lasses. years ago. have a great weekend. i’m having a pool party tomorrow..and its a gonna be 34 deg c cheers from sunny perth.
eddy says
Ron, Good information, as usual. Hopefully, truth will set all us free. Please also add Frank Lowy (Westfield Ltd) to Silverstein as co-insurers….
KiwiAl says
Hi Ron,
MH370? I’m all ears! Let us in on the secret! Pretty please. 😉
Funny how the airline industry is suddenly so paranoid about Lithium batteries after that. It’s a fascinating story. Would love to know more. Top Scientists, Gold and Lithium batteries don’t mix, maybe?
When you’ve recovered from your pool party, of course. Hope it’s fun!
Simon says
this thread is a bit nuttier than usual, the D man tend to bring out the crazies,
Just wanted to say, the church is full of adulterers, but it’s poofters who are ‘against family values’.
Alan Maurice says
love the article John and being a gay man, i can confirm ‘we’ come in all shapes sizes and politics! that said and probably a somewhat biased (experience) view i lean to the less sunny viewpoint. There will be a turning to the sunny side of life…..collective energy will do that
ron goddard says
hi mary just read the article about ‘climate change’, oops the 309 year cycle. you are right on there. we humans think that we are responsible for everything in the universe. and our ‘governments’ say ‘we are helping you by discussing these matters’, then do bugger all!. its all about money! in fact some recent research shows that antarctica is actually short of co2..not enough going around, so lets have more volcanic eruptions. there was a meteor hit in 562 a.d. that nobody has told us about. england was the recipient and …yes..king arthur rescued his people by taking them to what is now america in over 700 ships. they returned to england some years later when things improved there. of course the catholic church zealots weren’t happy about k.a being a latter day druid and destroyed most of the records of his time. but recent discoveries by two oz men has shaken the archiological club to the core. and the church won’t be happy either when this becomes worldwide news. b.s.? no, not at all. the ‘dark ages’ was the result of this destruction of true records. can anyone prove otherwise? seems that a lot of our ‘history’ as taught at school (indrocrination camps) is not quite right. long live king arthur. cheers, ron from perth
KiwiAl says
Hi Ron,
Chasing up the meteor / comet of 562AD…
Can you point me to a credible source, please? There’s a few blogs discussing it, but not that clearly.
VERY interesting. Suppressed history.
The meteor / comet theory sounds too implausible, and maybe that’s why it’s suppressed, because it’s too obviously not credible. The Truth will be far more interesting (stranger), as usual.