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		<title>Comment on Pay too much for property&#8230; and still laugh! by Warren B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You sent me an e-mail recently in which you told me the story about your friend and how he made $700,000 in seven years for paying more than he wanted for a property that he brought at auction and based upon this experience you are giving advice to all and sundry that you cannot go wrong in the long term in real estate in Capital Cities in Australia.

Now I am taking a wild guess you but I would say that you are under 40 years of age. The reason I say that is it your advice and belief structure is based upon one of the foibles shared by the inexperience and that as  “ As it was in the beginning, it is now and shall be for ever more ”.

There are not a lot of Mariners left that steer their vessels by looking entirely at the wake.

Real estate prices are driven by a two simple forces - population growth and community wealth. History is strewn with not hundred but thousands of examples of when real estate values have dramatically decreased in the short (years) and medium (decades) term and sometimes for periods in excess of a 100 years. (.i.e the fall of Rome and the Black Death) 

Yes it is absolutely true that based on all the history available to us that over the long term (the period of recorded history-10000 years) real estate in most parts of the globe is currently at their highest levels. (Exceptions are places like “Tenochtitlan” the Mayan capital in Central America) but with 6 billion people and $1000 trillion in wealth it is easy to understand why this is so

However, there is two crucial factors that any person under the age of 40 should be aware of, and they are 

1.	That we, as a human species, are nearing the solstice of our population growth in our occupation of this planet and predictions are that this will occur this century and most likely in the lifetime of the generation born between 2000 and 2005. 
2.	With global warming, humanity will face economic stress on global wealth the likes of which has never been eclipsed in the recorded history of human socialization.

Any person with a grade 12 knowledge of biology is well aware of the curve for population growth and demise in any species countering favorable growth conditions and there are no exceptions for our species. The science also tells us that the exact point at which the triggering event occurs is unpredictable but the demise phase is both rapid and catastrophic.

And the last chilling fact is that in the absence of both of the above factors, history reveals that property growth, over the last 400 years in England has averaged 1% per annum.

No I am not an alarmist or a doomsdayist, just an “old dude” offering a word of caution</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sent me an e-mail recently in which you told me the story about your friend and how he made $700,000 in seven years for paying more than he wanted for a property that he brought at auction and based upon this experience you are giving advice to all and sundry that you cannot go wrong in the long term in real estate in Capital Cities in Australia.</p>
<p>Now I am taking a wild guess you but I would say that you are under 40 years of age. The reason I say that is it your advice and belief structure is based upon one of the foibles shared by the inexperience and that as  “ As it was in the beginning, it is now and shall be for ever more ”.</p>
<p>There are not a lot of Mariners left that steer their vessels by looking entirely at the wake.</p>
<p>Real estate prices are driven by a two simple forces &#8211; population growth and community wealth. History is strewn with not hundred but thousands of examples of when real estate values have dramatically decreased in the short (years) and medium (decades) term and sometimes for periods in excess of a 100 years. (.i.e the fall of Rome and the Black Death) </p>
<p>Yes it is absolutely true that based on all the history available to us that over the long term (the period of recorded history-10000 years) real estate in most parts of the globe is currently at their highest levels. (Exceptions are places like “Tenochtitlan” the Mayan capital in Central America) but with 6 billion people and $1000 trillion in wealth it is easy to understand why this is so</p>
<p>However, there is two crucial factors that any person under the age of 40 should be aware of, and they are </p>
<p>1.	That we, as a human species, are nearing the solstice of our population growth in our occupation of this planet and predictions are that this will occur this century and most likely in the lifetime of the generation born between 2000 and 2005.<br />
2.	With global warming, humanity will face economic stress on global wealth the likes of which has never been eclipsed in the recorded history of human socialization.</p>
<p>Any person with a grade 12 knowledge of biology is well aware of the curve for population growth and demise in any species countering favorable growth conditions and there are no exceptions for our species. The science also tells us that the exact point at which the triggering event occurs is unpredictable but the demise phase is both rapid and catastrophic.</p>
<p>And the last chilling fact is that in the absence of both of the above factors, history reveals that property growth, over the last 400 years in England has averaged 1% per annum.</p>
<p>No I am not an alarmist or a doomsdayist, just an “old dude” offering a word of caution</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pay too much for property&#8230; and still laugh! by Joseph K</title>
		<link>http://knowledgesource.com.au/paytoomuch/comment-page-1/#comment-1144</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the article is very good.

One note of caution though ... my bank manager met with me yesterday and wants to get valuations for all my properties ... even though they were all valued 18m ago ... he said if the values have dropped then the loan limit will need to be reduced ... he gave an example - one investment property was valued at 400K, he said if it had dropped to 350K, then I would have to come up with 40K cash in order to keep the loan at 80% or less LVR ... this is an interesting reality check...even though you are easily meeting all your payments and &quot;serviceability&quot; is fine, the bank would send you a Letter Of Demand giving you 30 days to come up with the cash ... by the way, this is one of the big 4 banks in Australia.

This won&#039;t wipe me out because I have lots of cash and several unmortgaged properties, but I am concerned what will happen to investors already riding close to the edge.

I will be still continue to invest (just not in Melbourne right now because that feels too risky to me). What hasn&#039;t been reported in the press much lately (because so much of the talk has been about the exciting Melbourne boom) is the extraordinary bargains in other areas such as North Qld, country NSW, some parts of TAS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the article is very good.</p>
<p>One note of caution though &#8230; my bank manager met with me yesterday and wants to get valuations for all my properties &#8230; even though they were all valued 18m ago &#8230; he said if the values have dropped then the loan limit will need to be reduced &#8230; he gave an example &#8211; one investment property was valued at 400K, he said if it had dropped to 350K, then I would have to come up with 40K cash in order to keep the loan at 80% or less LVR &#8230; this is an interesting reality check&#8230;even though you are easily meeting all your payments and &#8220;serviceability&#8221; is fine, the bank would send you a Letter Of Demand giving you 30 days to come up with the cash &#8230; by the way, this is one of the big 4 banks in Australia.</p>
<p>This won&#8217;t wipe me out because I have lots of cash and several unmortgaged properties, but I am concerned what will happen to investors already riding close to the edge.</p>
<p>I will be still continue to invest (just not in Melbourne right now because that feels too risky to me). What hasn&#8217;t been reported in the press much lately (because so much of the talk has been about the exciting Melbourne boom) is the extraordinary bargains in other areas such as North Qld, country NSW, some parts of TAS.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pay too much for property&#8230; and still laugh! by rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My now wife twisted my arm into buying a 2br unit in Nth Melb in 2000 for $160k. 

The price tortured me because my parents at the same time sold the 35 year family home for $115K. That had 2x double garages, a single garage, a triple carport, 2 single carports, fruit trees, a full length cement cricket pitch,lawn to kick a footy, 2 driveways, 3dbr, sep lounge, sep dining, sep &quot;pool room&quot;, study, sep kitchen, huge laundry, 2nd sep wc...
$160k was doing my head in.

Spent 15K on the unit we lived in for 5 years, now valued at $560K. It went up by the exact amount as my take home pay in that 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My now wife twisted my arm into buying a 2br unit in Nth Melb in 2000 for $160k. </p>
<p>The price tortured me because my parents at the same time sold the 35 year family home for $115K. That had 2x double garages, a single garage, a triple carport, 2 single carports, fruit trees, a full length cement cricket pitch,lawn to kick a footy, 2 driveways, 3dbr, sep lounge, sep dining, sep &#8220;pool room&#8221;, study, sep kitchen, huge laundry, 2nd sep wc&#8230;<br />
$160k was doing my head in.</p>
<p>Spent 15K on the unit we lived in for 5 years, now valued at $560K. It went up by the exact amount as my take home pay in that 10 years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pay too much for property&#8230; and still laugh! by Karen Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://knowledgesource.com.au/paytoomuch/comment-page-1/#comment-1098</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised by Pam&#039;s purchase in 2004 not shifting in value, perhaps it was not in the right area.... My husband and I purchased a property in Katherine (2 bed unit) in 2006 for $115,000 and sold it 12 months later for $140,000, that is nearly a 20% increase in value! It pays to do the research into where you are buying.... for anyone who doesn&#039;t know, Katherine has very good rental returns, or atleast it did when we had property there. We only sold to get a deposit together for our principle place of residence otherwise we would still like to have that investment. 
Good luck, Karen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised by Pam&#8217;s purchase in 2004 not shifting in value, perhaps it was not in the right area&#8230;. My husband and I purchased a property in Katherine (2 bed unit) in 2006 for $115,000 and sold it 12 months later for $140,000, that is nearly a 20% increase in value! It pays to do the research into where you are buying&#8230;. for anyone who doesn&#8217;t know, Katherine has very good rental returns, or atleast it did when we had property there. We only sold to get a deposit together for our principle place of residence otherwise we would still like to have that investment.<br />
Good luck, Karen</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pay too much for property&#8230; and still laugh! by Pam</title>
		<link>http://knowledgesource.com.au/paytoomuch/comment-page-1/#comment-1096</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 05:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree that all property will double in 7 years.  People say that it does, but it doesn&#039;t always happen. 

I bought an apartment in Sydney in 2004.  It is located in a good suburb within 10km of the CBD and is walking distance to transport, schools, shops, cafes etc.  The price has not moved since I bought it and it has been 6 years.  Perhaps I had paid too much for it in 2004 but I don&#039;t think so as the valuation at that time was higher than the purchase price.  It would be difficult to even sell now in 2010 at the 2004 purchase price.  If anyone is looking to buy a well located apartment in Sydney, please let me know as I have a friend who has one in the same block and is willing to sell at 2004 purchase price + 10% (to cover costs).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree that all property will double in 7 years.  People say that it does, but it doesn&#8217;t always happen. </p>
<p>I bought an apartment in Sydney in 2004.  It is located in a good suburb within 10km of the CBD and is walking distance to transport, schools, shops, cafes etc.  The price has not moved since I bought it and it has been 6 years.  Perhaps I had paid too much for it in 2004 but I don&#8217;t think so as the valuation at that time was higher than the purchase price.  It would be difficult to even sell now in 2010 at the 2004 purchase price.  If anyone is looking to buy a well located apartment in Sydney, please let me know as I have a friend who has one in the same block and is willing to sell at 2004 purchase price + 10% (to cover costs).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pay too much for property&#8230; and still laugh! by kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 05:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the important factor here is cash.  Sure, stretch a little more to buy that great property as it will be worth it in the future, just make sure you have the income in the short to medium future to cover all costs without reborrowing.
Regards
Caughtout</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the important factor here is cash.  Sure, stretch a little more to buy that great property as it will be worth it in the future, just make sure you have the income in the short to medium future to cover all costs without reborrowing.<br />
Regards<br />
Caughtout</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pay too much for property&#8230; and still laugh! by krconn</title>
		<link>http://knowledgesource.com.au/paytoomuch/comment-page-1/#comment-1093</link>
		<dc:creator>krconn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 03:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jon
I have followed your emails closely and when I read the last one re the property purchase I had a smile on my face.
Back in 2003 I was retrenchened after 18.5 years I didn&#039;t get a lot of money out of it so wanted to use it wisely. On a Sunday drive my wife and I happened to pass a sign advertising blocks of land. Saw the agent but was told that the best blocks had gone. Next release was happening in a week. Returned on the following Saturday and was told that the subdivision of the next release would be on the following Monday. The agent took us in his 4WD over unmade roads to an area that seemed well away from the main roads. Saw a block of land that was really large (by our standards) but was $30K over our budget. After sweating on it over night we went back the next day and put a holding deposit down. We didn&#039;t sleep for two weeks worried if we would be overcommitting ourselves. Bank refused our finance (more sleepless nights) but a broker came up with an offer from another bank. Got that through, built a house and we are now in the most sought after area in the Outer Eastern Subs of Melbourne. Real Estate boards are going up with &quot;SOLD&quot; already on them and at prices that we would not have dreamed of 7 years ago. Like your friend, if we had not risked the extra $30K then we would not have made the effort to move and re-build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jon<br />
I have followed your emails closely and when I read the last one re the property purchase I had a smile on my face.<br />
Back in 2003 I was retrenchened after 18.5 years I didn&#8217;t get a lot of money out of it so wanted to use it wisely. On a Sunday drive my wife and I happened to pass a sign advertising blocks of land. Saw the agent but was told that the best blocks had gone. Next release was happening in a week. Returned on the following Saturday and was told that the subdivision of the next release would be on the following Monday. The agent took us in his 4WD over unmade roads to an area that seemed well away from the main roads. Saw a block of land that was really large (by our standards) but was $30K over our budget. After sweating on it over night we went back the next day and put a holding deposit down. We didn&#8217;t sleep for two weeks worried if we would be overcommitting ourselves. Bank refused our finance (more sleepless nights) but a broker came up with an offer from another bank. Got that through, built a house and we are now in the most sought after area in the Outer Eastern Subs of Melbourne. Real Estate boards are going up with &#8220;SOLD&#8221; already on them and at prices that we would not have dreamed of 7 years ago. Like your friend, if we had not risked the extra $30K then we would not have made the effort to move and re-build.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pay too much for property&#8230; and still laugh! by Al Hewson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Hewson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 02:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100724
Hi Jon,
    Thx for your email. I know how John R. feels, and to reinforce this view I watched &quot;Keiser Report Ep 56&quot; recently. I like most of what Max K says, and he reckons Aus and NZ are the last world r/e bubbles to burst (see graphs and figures).
     However I am a skeptic of the &#039;Skeptic&#039;, and totally agree with most of your repliers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100724<br />
Hi Jon,<br />
    Thx for your email. I know how John R. feels, and to reinforce this view I watched &#8220;Keiser Report Ep 56&#8243; recently. I like most of what Max K says, and he reckons Aus and NZ are the last world r/e bubbles to burst (see graphs and figures).<br />
     However I am a skeptic of the &#8216;Skeptic&#8217;, and totally agree with most of your repliers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pay too much for property&#8230; and still laugh! by Keith Goonewardene</title>
		<link>http://knowledgesource.com.au/paytoomuch/comment-page-1/#comment-1090</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Goonewardene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all those doubters stay away from the property market you are clearly out of your league.  Property is boring and it  is long winded.  If you are in it for a quick buck good luck.  Think of property as a wealth creator for a 100 years from know.  Don&#039;t be selfish create now for generations to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all those doubters stay away from the property market you are clearly out of your league.  Property is boring and it  is long winded.  If you are in it for a quick buck good luck.  Think of property as a wealth creator for a 100 years from know.  Don&#8217;t be selfish create now for generations to come.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pay too much for property&#8230; and still laugh! by Tim</title>
		<link>http://knowledgesource.com.au/paytoomuch/comment-page-1/#comment-1087</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jon,

Works well till you hit a Global Financial Crisis with margin calls, depleted equity and altered lending standards and can&#039;t hold the properties any longer. Fire sales leave you well out of pocket with stamp duty and exorbitant loan costs and this is compounded further if you have been silly enough to pay over the odds for your property in the first place. Only ones to gain from this are the banks and another real estate investor like you and Dymphna Boholt waiting to take advantage of your misfortune</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jon,</p>
<p>Works well till you hit a Global Financial Crisis with margin calls, depleted equity and altered lending standards and can&#8217;t hold the properties any longer. Fire sales leave you well out of pocket with stamp duty and exorbitant loan costs and this is compounded further if you have been silly enough to pay over the odds for your property in the first place. Only ones to gain from this are the banks and another real estate investor like you and Dymphna Boholt waiting to take advantage of your misfortune</p>
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