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		<title>Comment on Why are people so unkind..? by David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 05:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High there thank you so much, I am really encouraged by what you put out thanks a lot .keep up the awesome work.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Will Australian property prices crash? by Matt</title>
		<link>http://knowledgesource.com.au/overpriced/comment-page-2/#comment-1263</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a sensitive topic to discuss as readers will automatically be polarised as to whether they are owners or renters and it’s very hard to be completely objective and put your emotions to the side when you have so much riding on whether Camp A or Camp B is correct. Therefore I apologise in advance to those whose view I oppose. 

Before I present my point of view (focused on where I think the issue lies - Australian capital cities), let me declare my position. I’m a current property owner however, I’ve reduced my portfolio from 3 properties to 1 over the past 3 years – now only the family home – and that is also on the market. My intention is to invest the capital in a different asset class and rent for the near future. I also work for a leading property hedge fund in Sydney although that probably doesn&#039;t count for much! 

I’m sorry, but I’m certainly of the view that Australian capital cities WILL experience a significant property price correction. Government intervention can delay this, but I believe once the momentum builds, the govt won’t have the budgetary firepower to prevent the correction from taking place. I won’t go into metrics, as they’re generally accepted and understood by both sides of the fence. So why isn’t Bazza who bought his townhouse in Inner West Sydney in 2010 worried by these metrics?? How doesn’t a glance at the extreme divergence between rental yields and house prices over the past 5 years cause concern?? 

The only contrarian argument I can find with that aligns with fundamental economics is population growth exceeding housing supply growth. However I think reliance on this is flawed. It&#039;s widely known that Australia&#039;s birth rate is broadly on par with the death rate. If we were to examine population growth for this country over the past decade or century even, we’d quickly see it’s been, in large, fuelled by immigration from Asia and Europe. The key factor that has influenced the decision of Asians and Europeans to migrate here has been Australia’s relative affordability when compared to ‘alternatives’ – traditionally NZ, USA, Canada. Traditionally, we’ve been relatively affordable! Compare property prices at current levels in Australia against the alternatives – especially the USA and to a much lesser extent Canada post GFC, and suddenly Australia is not such a wise choice of destination. Chuck in a strong Aussie Dollar and it gets worse. Some may say that people want the “Australian way of life” i.e. sun, surf, sand, safety, and relative affordability will play second fiddle, well maybe for some privileged few, but not for most. Quality of life is hugely reliant upon disposable income and how far that income will get you and everyone wants the best for their family. Based on this rationale, if you allow yourself to accept the possibility that PERHAPS most of our population growth in the near term will be organic, suddenly the other metrics (price to rent, price to income) become extremely relevant. 
 
Couple these metrics with the wider macroeconomic issues such as the EU shockwaves and China preparing to slowly pull the rug from under our feet (albeit, should result in a weakening in the AUD) and you can see where the problem will come from - rising unemployment. Our housing prices have a long way to fall according to any accepted metric, and once the trend becomes more obvious to the market I expect we will see somewhat of a rush for the exit. You won’t want to be the last one out (post 2008 buyers) and still holding when this thing unravels. It has the ingredients to be substantially worse than what the US went through and we all know that wasn’t pretty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a sensitive topic to discuss as readers will automatically be polarised as to whether they are owners or renters and it’s very hard to be completely objective and put your emotions to the side when you have so much riding on whether Camp A or Camp B is correct. Therefore I apologise in advance to those whose view I oppose. </p>
<p>Before I present my point of view (focused on where I think the issue lies &#8211; Australian capital cities), let me declare my position. I’m a current property owner however, I’ve reduced my portfolio from 3 properties to 1 over the past 3 years – now only the family home – and that is also on the market. My intention is to invest the capital in a different asset class and rent for the near future. I also work for a leading property hedge fund in Sydney although that probably doesn&#8217;t count for much! </p>
<p>I’m sorry, but I’m certainly of the view that Australian capital cities WILL experience a significant property price correction. Government intervention can delay this, but I believe once the momentum builds, the govt won’t have the budgetary firepower to prevent the correction from taking place. I won’t go into metrics, as they’re generally accepted and understood by both sides of the fence. So why isn’t Bazza who bought his townhouse in Inner West Sydney in 2010 worried by these metrics?? How doesn’t a glance at the extreme divergence between rental yields and house prices over the past 5 years cause concern?? </p>
<p>The only contrarian argument I can find with that aligns with fundamental economics is population growth exceeding housing supply growth. However I think reliance on this is flawed. It&#8217;s widely known that Australia&#8217;s birth rate is broadly on par with the death rate. If we were to examine population growth for this country over the past decade or century even, we’d quickly see it’s been, in large, fuelled by immigration from Asia and Europe. The key factor that has influenced the decision of Asians and Europeans to migrate here has been Australia’s relative affordability when compared to ‘alternatives’ – traditionally NZ, USA, Canada. Traditionally, we’ve been relatively affordable! Compare property prices at current levels in Australia against the alternatives – especially the USA and to a much lesser extent Canada post GFC, and suddenly Australia is not such a wise choice of destination. Chuck in a strong Aussie Dollar and it gets worse. Some may say that people want the “Australian way of life” i.e. sun, surf, sand, safety, and relative affordability will play second fiddle, well maybe for some privileged few, but not for most. Quality of life is hugely reliant upon disposable income and how far that income will get you and everyone wants the best for their family. Based on this rationale, if you allow yourself to accept the possibility that PERHAPS most of our population growth in the near term will be organic, suddenly the other metrics (price to rent, price to income) become extremely relevant. </p>
<p>Couple these metrics with the wider macroeconomic issues such as the EU shockwaves and China preparing to slowly pull the rug from under our feet (albeit, should result in a weakening in the AUD) and you can see where the problem will come from &#8211; rising unemployment. Our housing prices have a long way to fall according to any accepted metric, and once the trend becomes more obvious to the market I expect we will see somewhat of a rush for the exit. You won’t want to be the last one out (post 2008 buyers) and still holding when this thing unravels. It has the ingredients to be substantially worse than what the US went through and we all know that wasn’t pretty.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will Australian property prices crash? by joel</title>
		<link>http://knowledgesource.com.au/overpriced/comment-page-2/#comment-1262</link>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My cats breath smells like cat food. China suks vagina, where fuked</description>
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		<title>Comment on Will Australian property prices crash? by Dave</title>
		<link>http://knowledgesource.com.au/overpriced/comment-page-2/#comment-1261</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever happened to the Basic Economics rule of supply and demand, when determining price movements.  The population of Australia is increasing e.g., Melbourne&#039;s  supposed  growth is said to be 30% in 20 years!  Sure , Melbourne  houses are now hugely expensive compared to other places in the world but why is that going to cause a crash, Melbournians aren&#039;t going to sell up on mass and move to  Europe, the US or Asia. As the population rises there will be more demand , particually on Inner City areas, as the city widens and commuting times increase. Rents also are forecasted to rise significantly making property a more attractive investment,so why will prices dive.  What alternative investments are there anyway, shares are very uncertain and holding on to cash is clearly sending you backwards, the CPI increase is about 6 % and your cash earns about 4% after tax, the equity never increases, so bank savings are not an option either. I am the first to be horrified at the cost of housing here ( I spend much time abroad) but I can&#039;t see this factor is that relevant.  (Second hand cars are rediculously expensive here too compared to Europe or the US  but that&#039;s not going to change. I&#039;m afraid to say , house prices will rise even if an element of fear causes a momentary stall. It&#039;s all driven by supply and demand and in the inner city there&#039;s only a limited amount of quality housing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever happened to the Basic Economics rule of supply and demand, when determining price movements.  The population of Australia is increasing e.g., Melbourne&#8217;s  supposed  growth is said to be 30% in 20 years!  Sure , Melbourne  houses are now hugely expensive compared to other places in the world but why is that going to cause a crash, Melbournians aren&#8217;t going to sell up on mass and move to  Europe, the US or Asia. As the population rises there will be more demand , particually on Inner City areas, as the city widens and commuting times increase. Rents also are forecasted to rise significantly making property a more attractive investment,so why will prices dive.  What alternative investments are there anyway, shares are very uncertain and holding on to cash is clearly sending you backwards, the CPI increase is about 6 % and your cash earns about 4% after tax, the equity never increases, so bank savings are not an option either. I am the first to be horrified at the cost of housing here ( I spend much time abroad) but I can&#8217;t see this factor is that relevant.  (Second hand cars are rediculously expensive here too compared to Europe or the US  but that&#8217;s not going to change. I&#8217;m afraid to say , house prices will rise even if an element of fear causes a momentary stall. It&#8217;s all driven by supply and demand and in the inner city there&#8217;s only a limited amount of quality housing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will Australian property prices crash? by Sean</title>
		<link>http://knowledgesource.com.au/overpriced/comment-page-2/#comment-1260</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed reading the comments, re house prices in Australia, I have lived in Australia for &gt;30 yrs and I own three good investment properties. I have recently been checking out house prices in Ireland and in the UK and they have hit rock bottom. However I can recall an interview with Warren Buffett when he stated that we should buy shares when they hit rock bottom and sell when they are high. I believe this may be a good rule of thumb with respect to investing in property and was looking at buying property in the UK and in Ireland while the prpoerty prices are at rock bottom and selling when property prices rise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed reading the comments, re house prices in Australia, I have lived in Australia for &gt;30 yrs and I own three good investment properties. I have recently been checking out house prices in Ireland and in the UK and they have hit rock bottom. However I can recall an interview with Warren Buffett when he stated that we should buy shares when they hit rock bottom and sell when they are high. I believe this may be a good rule of thumb with respect to investing in property and was looking at buying property in the UK and in Ireland while the prpoerty prices are at rock bottom and selling when property prices rise.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will Australian property prices crash? by Paul</title>
		<link>http://knowledgesource.com.au/overpriced/comment-page-2/#comment-1259</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say &quot;average disposable income is $95,089 per household&quot; are you sure about that?
according to ABS &quot;in real terms, average equivalised disposable household income did not show any significant change between 2007-08 ($859) and 2009-10 ($848) &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say &#8220;average disposable income is $95,089 per household&#8221; are you sure about that?<br />
according to ABS &#8220;in real terms, average equivalised disposable household income did not show any significant change between 2007-08 ($859) and 2009-10 ($848) &#8220;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Double-Dip Recession &#8211; Whatever happened to that? by Garry Scarf</title>
		<link>http://knowledgesource.com.au/double-dip-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-1324</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry Scarf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m doing OK thank you. DO NOT EMAIL ME AGAIN&gt; I am attending your lecture series in Sydney and do not need softening up! GES</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m doing OK thank you. DO NOT EMAIL ME AGAIN&gt; I am attending your lecture series in Sydney and do not need softening up! GES</p>
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		<title>Comment on Double-Dip Recession &#8211; Whatever happened to that? by Glen</title>
		<link>http://knowledgesource.com.au/double-dip-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-1323</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree John, it is not all gloom and doom.
However whenever there is a shakeout, the best in class survive.
What put us in trouble was we all borrowed too much when things were good.
As Buffett says, downturns are like swimming at the beach, when the tide goes out you find out who was swimming naked.
As people and companies deleverage banks will have less loans on their balance sheets and will be throwing money at us again. Many $ will vanish off balance sheets as people pay off their debts. The companies that will flourish are those with little debt, and those who can set the prices of their products with little competition. I do like our big miners, energy stocks, and staples.
We are also very lucky to have strong immigration which will help drive our economy and sustain the housing market. The glass is half full.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree John, it is not all gloom and doom.<br />
However whenever there is a shakeout, the best in class survive.<br />
What put us in trouble was we all borrowed too much when things were good.<br />
As Buffett says, downturns are like swimming at the beach, when the tide goes out you find out who was swimming naked.<br />
As people and companies deleverage banks will have less loans on their balance sheets and will be throwing money at us again. Many $ will vanish off balance sheets as people pay off their debts. The companies that will flourish are those with little debt, and those who can set the prices of their products with little competition. I do like our big miners, energy stocks, and staples.<br />
We are also very lucky to have strong immigration which will help drive our economy and sustain the housing market. The glass is half full.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Double-Dip Recession &#8211; Whatever happened to that? by nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just an added view point on why the RBA probably did not pass on rate cuts. 

The BANKS would of pocketed most of the benefits from the rate cut and not the struggling consumer. So why bother when its desired impact would of been diluted.

It made sense to hold back until such a cut could be passed on with the desired benefit to the end borrowers or come up with an alternative plan.

As it is, the banks are now talking of increasing mortgage rates not with standing the RBAs decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an added view point on why the RBA probably did not pass on rate cuts. </p>
<p>The BANKS would of pocketed most of the benefits from the rate cut and not the struggling consumer. So why bother when its desired impact would of been diluted.</p>
<p>It made sense to hold back until such a cut could be passed on with the desired benefit to the end borrowers or come up with an alternative plan.</p>
<p>As it is, the banks are now talking of increasing mortgage rates not with standing the RBAs decision.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Double-Dip Recession &#8211; Whatever happened to that? by Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I liked your take on what is going on in the world economies. I see you are looking closely at the numbers. Im no economist either but have you seen the massive amounts of development China has with its un affordable high rises which are 60 times the average annual income in the country. 

They have ghost cities (Yes not just one) to hold 17 million people which no one can afford.

I understand there is an emerging middle class but this is ridiculous. they are already falling apart.

I dont think this is real growth. They are just building to sustain it and when they cant sustain it they will stop buying our resources which will have a flow on effect to all areas of our economy, brining it down with them.

Good to see another point of view. Ill take it in but ill keep being weary when buying property until our economy crashes then ill clean up the bargains!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I liked your take on what is going on in the world economies. I see you are looking closely at the numbers. Im no economist either but have you seen the massive amounts of development China has with its un affordable high rises which are 60 times the average annual income in the country. </p>
<p>They have ghost cities (Yes not just one) to hold 17 million people which no one can afford.</p>
<p>I understand there is an emerging middle class but this is ridiculous. they are already falling apart.</p>
<p>I dont think this is real growth. They are just building to sustain it and when they cant sustain it they will stop buying our resources which will have a flow on effect to all areas of our economy, brining it down with them.</p>
<p>Good to see another point of view. Ill take it in but ill keep being weary when buying property until our economy crashes then ill clean up the bargains!</p>
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